Worth noting the reference to a Saint Titus from a 2nd century artifact... the early church definitely understood the concept of sainthood and of asking them for intercession.
I'm a Catholic and appreciate this wonderful article. As I see it the Catholic Church of recent centuries greatly lost it's way. The apparent successes of some Protestantism caused some confusion among Catholics who were also led astray by the quite significant protestisation of the Western European Culture. Medieval Christainity seems to me to have had a much deeper appreciation of the connection between means and ends so that decentralization and subsidiary were held in high regard.
Nowadays it seems that among many Catholics, Orthodox and Protestants, even among traditionalists, including the clergy, there is barely any comprehension - let alone understanding - of there even being something our ancestors called "the social order".
That's a very broad brush! If that were true then how can Catholic priests like Fr. Rippensburger conduct exorcisms? After all, Jesus told us that and house divided cannot stand when he was accused of using Beelzebul's authority to cast out demons.
I'm not Catholic and I agree with the link you sent. Thanks!
That said, you went for demonic (capitalized, no less), and that was the point of my objection, and the scriptural reference which essentially said that your contention can't be true.
I'm not here for a bun fight. But even as a non-Catholic I think putting all Catholic believers under the D label is unfair and wrong. Are a lot of Catholic teachings unBiblical? Absolutely! But in that sense so are many of the Orthodox ones as well. And probably Protestant ones as well.
Perhaps we should all agree that ultimately the Bible is the beginning and end point of our faith, and that it's teachings are the final arbiter of all right and wrong, and that through Biblical teaching no doctrine of faith has right over another.
Perhaps. But ultimately, that is a judgement not in our theological wheelhouse… it is the heart and intentions our God sees more than we allow; He meets us where we are, and His love and grace bridge any gaps.
Sorry I posted my comment before completing it so here's part 2:
In the 1920s and 30s the Christian monetary reformer C.H. Douglas (see socred.org) had thousands of readers who understood to one extent or another his observation that Christainity was either part of the very fabric of the universe or it was just another set of interesting ideas which each of us is free to either accept or reject.
Douglas analyzed and demystified the workings of the present money system, showing that it's deficiencies created unnecessary poverty amongst physical plenty and suggested some simple solutions to solve these problems. If adopted they would have dethroned the enormous illegitimate empires build around present banking practices.
I can understand why the private bankers opposed such suggestions but why have Church leaders ignored them?
Christ didn't ignore the reality of us needing to "Christianise" our societies yet many Christians seem now to believe any interest in "the social order" is being "worldly". The result of this severe negligence is that anti-social forces have been able to "corporatise" almost everything in the world that is moveable and use debt slavery to destroy family life and private property.
How come today's church leaders are united in ignoring the evils and unreality of the monopolized debt money system - which clearly elevates the abstraction of numbers (money) above the clearly material abundance of God's creation - even though Christ Himself said that he came that we may have life and have it more abundantly.
Worth noting the reference to a Saint Titus from a 2nd century artifact... the early church definitely understood the concept of sainthood and of asking them for intercession.
http://popularmechanics.com/science/archaeology/a64841409/silver-amulet-christianity-history/
I'm a Catholic and appreciate this wonderful article. As I see it the Catholic Church of recent centuries greatly lost it's way. The apparent successes of some Protestantism caused some confusion among Catholics who were also led astray by the quite significant protestisation of the Western European Culture. Medieval Christainity seems to me to have had a much deeper appreciation of the connection between means and ends so that decentralization and subsidiary were held in high regard.
Nowadays it seems that among many Catholics, Orthodox and Protestants, even among traditionalists, including the clergy, there is barely any comprehension - let alone understanding - of there even being something our ancestors called "the social order".
Catholicism is DEMONIC and NOT BIBLICAL. I say that as a former Catholic, as is my wife former Catholic
That's a very broad brush! If that were true then how can Catholic priests like Fr. Rippensburger conduct exorcisms? After all, Jesus told us that and house divided cannot stand when he was accused of using Beelzebul's authority to cast out demons.
Matt 12:25-26
I don't have time to waste so here's a link that tells why Catholicism is not biblical: https://thesetapartwalk.com/catholicism-is-not-biblical-christianity/
I'm not Catholic and I agree with the link you sent. Thanks!
That said, you went for demonic (capitalized, no less), and that was the point of my objection, and the scriptural reference which essentially said that your contention can't be true.
I'm not here for a bun fight. But even as a non-Catholic I think putting all Catholic believers under the D label is unfair and wrong. Are a lot of Catholic teachings unBiblical? Absolutely! But in that sense so are many of the Orthodox ones as well. And probably Protestant ones as well.
Perhaps we should all agree that ultimately the Bible is the beginning and end point of our faith, and that it's teachings are the final arbiter of all right and wrong, and that through Biblical teaching no doctrine of faith has right over another.
Perhaps. But ultimately, that is a judgement not in our theological wheelhouse… it is the heart and intentions our God sees more than we allow; He meets us where we are, and His love and grace bridge any gaps.
A great conversation that is worth listening to
the problem is the Jesuits, who are the DEMONIC ones. Research them as I have.
Sorry I posted my comment before completing it so here's part 2:
In the 1920s and 30s the Christian monetary reformer C.H. Douglas (see socred.org) had thousands of readers who understood to one extent or another his observation that Christainity was either part of the very fabric of the universe or it was just another set of interesting ideas which each of us is free to either accept or reject.
Douglas analyzed and demystified the workings of the present money system, showing that it's deficiencies created unnecessary poverty amongst physical plenty and suggested some simple solutions to solve these problems. If adopted they would have dethroned the enormous illegitimate empires build around present banking practices.
I can understand why the private bankers opposed such suggestions but why have Church leaders ignored them?
Christ didn't ignore the reality of us needing to "Christianise" our societies yet many Christians seem now to believe any interest in "the social order" is being "worldly". The result of this severe negligence is that anti-social forces have been able to "corporatise" almost everything in the world that is moveable and use debt slavery to destroy family life and private property.
How come today's church leaders are united in ignoring the evils and unreality of the monopolized debt money system - which clearly elevates the abstraction of numbers (money) above the clearly material abundance of God's creation - even though Christ Himself said that he came that we may have life and have it more abundantly.